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Writer Pilgrim by So Elite's avatar

An important word! I was reading a new book with plays translated from Hungarian i to English. Difficult Women it was called and teo of the plays described the Kafkaesque reality of thevwomen depicted and the abuse supported by the system. What made an impression is the language of Hungarian and how the translator must interpret situations as some words are not existing in Hungarian. Fascinating. Am sorry to hear about the health challenges you are facing with your wife.

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Hi Zork; You say: I (WNT) aim for a discussion community, and you (ZTH) aim for a debate society. Let’s have a debate society right now. The subject is “What is the Purpose of this Post”. (You say it is to illustrate an untranslatable concept, which I question?)

To start, let's do an overview on assumed identity, and whether that is a legacy that controls you, or if there is a chance to modify it, (also through Substack).

We claim that there is a hidden part of life called the subconscious, for the most part inaccessible. That is mystifying. There are two major categories of human life.

✓The earliest is hunter/gatherer, or subsistence farmer with your own little farmstead, kindergarten, pigs, and as long as you don’t run out of vodka and lard, and at least the grass grows, you don't need neighbors, relations, agreements, nor even a language. You might have some "culture" but not that it is needed. You don’t talk much. Maybe you knew some similar people from Hungary?

✓The second is urban living, way more intense, where you are removed from your primal needs and must rely on organizing supply chains, have a job controlled by someone else, need all kinds of agreements and services to regulate things and keep the peace, water, power, gas, and look out for interruptions that would kill swaths of people. This second system is called “society”, and there are dozens of them in operation right now, and more from the past.

THIS SOCIETY IS NOT REALITY. It is a virtual reality which you inherited, and maybe agree with some of it. Now I am going to say that: all of your particular subconscious, resides in your particular virtual reality. At least so much of it, that it is the first place to look.

We are born, and we start building our identity from the building blocks of our virtual reality, filtered through people. Many of our experiences might have been shocking or even devastating, but they were "hard-won", so don't discard any of them. People talk of persisting "childhood trauma", but notice I have de-personalized all of it.

In your case; by the mid 1970's, you testify that 10 million people in Hungary (all of them), truly hated the Soviet Union. Did they hate communism, hate the Soviets or just hate all Russian people? (Frankly, I don't see Hungary as a hateful nation today, but I may be wrong?) I think that Russia's population at that time, within the USSR was 135 million.

It almost sounds like you are extrapolating that 135 million Russians truly hated communism, and all the rest were just a few “communist dupes”, which if so, it wouldn’t have lasted 2 weeks. Both this, and libertarianism, are not going to be a place for us to collaborate. I hope to “bite my tongue” before I say any more on either of them.

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The essence of “remembered occurrences” is that they were a conundrum. They had some pain attached to them. You might remember the good times too, but the bad ones stand out. They’re more important because of your decision; NEVER AGAIN. Hence the necessity for that part of your identification.

Now let’s back up again to consider our standards of making a judgement. Whenever we say something is “true”, that’s it. It can never be changed. We just said that this is a virtual truth, and only one part of our virtual conditioning. Perhaps there are many “mysteries” in our motivations. But let’s assume that we play some (maybe unknown) part in all of them. Therefore, are we complicit in our circumstances? (Either a statement or a question.) Again, there are two angles to it. Either I am a victim; or I have some empowerment over my life. I choose the latter as a broader thesis to move forward on.

So, if you are complicit, ultimately, you want what you now-have. How does it serve me? I am building this identity; how does it serve me? Every chance I have to let that identity go; I grasp at it even tighter. WHY?

Let’s look at what you have done. You have told 10 stories of conundrums in (your) life, that shouldn’t be this way by your standards of judgment. You say that you have dozens more. Conundrums are uncomfortable, and always illicit an emotional response. In this case I suggest it might start as a grievance, but be spun into hate.

I have no basis to say anything: is hate an important part of the Hungarian identity, or is it just you that “needs this”. I say, needs-this because of our comment above, that being complicit in creating something, (creating an identity), must mean that you want it that way. (It is the most powerful way to look at things.)

This is the end of the Debate society format. Another post is just to utilize this format to illustrate how we could make something happen.

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