I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR NAME: so I thought that I would dump 1,000 words here and see what you say?
The Huns, as well as the Asiatic Huns, were not a young people. Their history is consistently traced from the great reforms of their leader Mode, who seized power by patricide in 209 BC.: the Asian Hunnish power lasted from the moment of its foundation - 209 B.C. - to the time of the deposition - 48 B.C.
the Türks and Huns, were dominated by a horde, i.e. a group of people united by discipline and leadership. It required neither origin, nor language, nor creed, but only courage and willingness to obey. Clearly, the names of hordes are not ethnonyms, but with hordes, ethnonyms disappear altogether, as there is no need for them - the concept of a "people" coincides with the concept of the nation state.
The steppe was dominated by the clan system, and its decay proceeded so slowly that it did not cause much damage to the nomads. On the other hand, the desiccation of the steppe, which began in the 1st century and reached its maximum by the 3rd century, oppressed them. The reduction of pasture lands forced the Huns and Xianbi to shrink to the Huang He and Liaohe rivers and come into contact with the Chinese.
Since those lands were in disrepair, the Jin government permitted the settlement of 400 thousand nomads and about 500 thousand Tibetans of various tribes on the border. The Chinese politicians of the 3rd century thought that ethnicity was a social status and a numerically insignificant inclusion was easy to assimilate: those migrating princes were trained in Chinese culture, and the tribesmen were turned into a taxed class. The calculation was audacious and bad. The clansmen endured the arbitrariness of officials and exploitation of landowners, but they did not turn into Chinese; the princes learned hieroglyphics and classical poetry, but at the opportunity, which came in 304, returned to their tribesmen and led a rebellion, aimed at "regaining lost rights with weapons.
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The Xiongnu is a nomadic power that emerged in modern Mongolia earlier than the 4th century B.C. The Turkic-speaking Xiongnu, being a pre-class society, created a power based on "dominion over the peoples”. From 209 B.C. to 97 B.C. the Xiongnu power grew and defeated the best forces of mighty China, and after that the victorious Xiongnu steadily weakened, and the defeated China became the master of the situation without a fight, i.e. their former victory was not of use to the Xiongnu.
In the I century AD Huns were freed from the power of China, but split into four branches, one of which, most indomitable and freedom-loving, repulsing enemies attacking from all sides, in the 155-158 years disappeared in the west of the Great Steppe, mingled with the Ugric of the Volga-Ural interfluves and became for 200 years in the Eastern European ethnic group, which for the avoidance of confusion is called "Hunnu".
It is a very common opinion that the Great Migration of Peoples in Europe was due to the advance of the nomadic Huns from the Trans-Volga region. However, familiarity with the dates of the events allows this view to be rejected completely.
In the III-IV centuries Huns defeated Alans, "exhausting them by an endless war", and only in the V century crossed the Carpathians and reached the Danube valley, and a part of their Akatsirs remained in their native steppes on Don and Volga.
Hence, the Hun activity took place three centuries later than the explosion of the Great Migration; there was not a mass migration from Asia either, but a skillful policy of the experienced leaders, skilled in diplomacy and strategy. The Goths, in comparison with the Huns, were as frivolous and naïve as children. That is why they lost the war and lost their beautiful country near the Black Sea. In the II-IV centuries, the Black Sea steppes were the second source, (after Egypt) of bread for Constantinople. So farming was mastered in the Alanian steppes and river valleys.
The Huns crossed the Don, defeating the Alans in 371, defeated the Goths with the help of the Wolverines in the end of the IV century, and took Pannonia about 420. Hence, the whole stay of the Hunnish horde in the southern steppes fits in less than half a century. In that case the Huns themselves were not numerous, and they behaved with the help of the same subdued Alans, Wolverines, Antes, Ostgotians, and other local tribes. If all inhabitants of the Eastern Europe were massacred by the Huns, from where would Huns get people for the war with the Roman Empire and Iran?
It is true that the settled-agricultural economy was destroyed by the Hun invasion, but it does not follow that the inhabitants of the forested valleys of the Terek and Middle Don or the reed thickets of the Volga Delta did not outlive the short-term movement of the nomads in their shelters, especially since they were not engaged in agriculture, because they were hunters and fishermen. Even Alans lived in the steppes of the North Caucasus and the Don until the 10th century, which characterizes the stability of Eastern Europe at the time when intensive ethnic processes took place in Central Europe.
It is also important to note that the success of Huns coincided with the climax of temporal drying up of steppe, which undermined the Alanian agriculture, and thus weakened the Alanian military force. Huns, on the other hand, accustomed to the arid conditions, suffered less from the drought, which caused their victory in the wars, waged by them from 160 till 370 but without any decisive successes. But as soon as the dry period was over, the domination of the Huns was also over. In the VI century in the steppes, the old balance of forces was restored, but the place of Huns was taken by Bulgars, and the place of Alans - by Khazars.
The story of my name is a much shorter history in two parts.
I am Magyar. The two largest tribes in Atilla's confederation were the Magyars and the Huns. After his death, we went our separate ways, eventually ending up in the Karpathian Basin
The Magyars looked and behaved like the Huns did a few hundred years hence, so many in Western Europe thought that the Huns came back and referred to them us as such. That is why you find the nation referred to in these terms: Hungary, Vengry, Ungaro, etc. or Magyarsko, Magyarostan, etc.
Hun is not a typical Hungarian name, it is not even real (sort of) One of my grandfathers was German, the other Slovene . Both ended up in government employ in post Trianon Hungary where they had to change their names to keep their jobs, so the Slovene Paszicsnyek became Pósfai and the German Höhn became Hun. Zorko is a Slovane name, I just dropped the second 'o'
That is how I became from the German chicken, a tough Hun
His name was Monte, he was my present to my wife shortly after I met her. The best dog ever. Rottweiler German shepherd mix. He was named after Monte Walsh
"time is God's way of keeping everything from happening all at once" -- Ray Cummings (and not Einstein or Hawkings) https://quoteinvestigator.com/2019/07/06/time/?amp=1
Then why does it feel like a broken clock?
Even if's not everything, it's still a lot.
I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR NAME: so I thought that I would dump 1,000 words here and see what you say?
The Huns, as well as the Asiatic Huns, were not a young people. Their history is consistently traced from the great reforms of their leader Mode, who seized power by patricide in 209 BC.: the Asian Hunnish power lasted from the moment of its foundation - 209 B.C. - to the time of the deposition - 48 B.C.
the Türks and Huns, were dominated by a horde, i.e. a group of people united by discipline and leadership. It required neither origin, nor language, nor creed, but only courage and willingness to obey. Clearly, the names of hordes are not ethnonyms, but with hordes, ethnonyms disappear altogether, as there is no need for them - the concept of a "people" coincides with the concept of the nation state.
The steppe was dominated by the clan system, and its decay proceeded so slowly that it did not cause much damage to the nomads. On the other hand, the desiccation of the steppe, which began in the 1st century and reached its maximum by the 3rd century, oppressed them. The reduction of pasture lands forced the Huns and Xianbi to shrink to the Huang He and Liaohe rivers and come into contact with the Chinese.
Since those lands were in disrepair, the Jin government permitted the settlement of 400 thousand nomads and about 500 thousand Tibetans of various tribes on the border. The Chinese politicians of the 3rd century thought that ethnicity was a social status and a numerically insignificant inclusion was easy to assimilate: those migrating princes were trained in Chinese culture, and the tribesmen were turned into a taxed class. The calculation was audacious and bad. The clansmen endured the arbitrariness of officials and exploitation of landowners, but they did not turn into Chinese; the princes learned hieroglyphics and classical poetry, but at the opportunity, which came in 304, returned to their tribesmen and led a rebellion, aimed at "regaining lost rights with weapons.
____________________
The Xiongnu is a nomadic power that emerged in modern Mongolia earlier than the 4th century B.C. The Turkic-speaking Xiongnu, being a pre-class society, created a power based on "dominion over the peoples”. From 209 B.C. to 97 B.C. the Xiongnu power grew and defeated the best forces of mighty China, and after that the victorious Xiongnu steadily weakened, and the defeated China became the master of the situation without a fight, i.e. their former victory was not of use to the Xiongnu.
In the I century AD Huns were freed from the power of China, but split into four branches, one of which, most indomitable and freedom-loving, repulsing enemies attacking from all sides, in the 155-158 years disappeared in the west of the Great Steppe, mingled with the Ugric of the Volga-Ural interfluves and became for 200 years in the Eastern European ethnic group, which for the avoidance of confusion is called "Hunnu".
It is a very common opinion that the Great Migration of Peoples in Europe was due to the advance of the nomadic Huns from the Trans-Volga region. However, familiarity with the dates of the events allows this view to be rejected completely.
In the III-IV centuries Huns defeated Alans, "exhausting them by an endless war", and only in the V century crossed the Carpathians and reached the Danube valley, and a part of their Akatsirs remained in their native steppes on Don and Volga.
Hence, the Hun activity took place three centuries later than the explosion of the Great Migration; there was not a mass migration from Asia either, but a skillful policy of the experienced leaders, skilled in diplomacy and strategy. The Goths, in comparison with the Huns, were as frivolous and naïve as children. That is why they lost the war and lost their beautiful country near the Black Sea. In the II-IV centuries, the Black Sea steppes were the second source, (after Egypt) of bread for Constantinople. So farming was mastered in the Alanian steppes and river valleys.
The Huns crossed the Don, defeating the Alans in 371, defeated the Goths with the help of the Wolverines in the end of the IV century, and took Pannonia about 420. Hence, the whole stay of the Hunnish horde in the southern steppes fits in less than half a century. In that case the Huns themselves were not numerous, and they behaved with the help of the same subdued Alans, Wolverines, Antes, Ostgotians, and other local tribes. If all inhabitants of the Eastern Europe were massacred by the Huns, from where would Huns get people for the war with the Roman Empire and Iran?
It is true that the settled-agricultural economy was destroyed by the Hun invasion, but it does not follow that the inhabitants of the forested valleys of the Terek and Middle Don or the reed thickets of the Volga Delta did not outlive the short-term movement of the nomads in their shelters, especially since they were not engaged in agriculture, because they were hunters and fishermen. Even Alans lived in the steppes of the North Caucasus and the Don until the 10th century, which characterizes the stability of Eastern Europe at the time when intensive ethnic processes took place in Central Europe.
It is also important to note that the success of Huns coincided with the climax of temporal drying up of steppe, which undermined the Alanian agriculture, and thus weakened the Alanian military force. Huns, on the other hand, accustomed to the arid conditions, suffered less from the drought, which caused their victory in the wars, waged by them from 160 till 370 but without any decisive successes. But as soon as the dry period was over, the domination of the Huns was also over. In the VI century in the steppes, the old balance of forces was restored, but the place of Huns was taken by Bulgars, and the place of Alans - by Khazars.
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The story of my name is a much shorter history in two parts.
I am Magyar. The two largest tribes in Atilla's confederation were the Magyars and the Huns. After his death, we went our separate ways, eventually ending up in the Karpathian Basin
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_conquest_of_the_Carpathian_Basin)
The Magyars looked and behaved like the Huns did a few hundred years hence, so many in Western Europe thought that the Huns came back and referred to them us as such. That is why you find the nation referred to in these terms: Hungary, Vengry, Ungaro, etc. or Magyarsko, Magyarostan, etc.
Hun is not a typical Hungarian name, it is not even real (sort of) One of my grandfathers was German, the other Slovene . Both ended up in government employ in post Trianon Hungary where they had to change their names to keep their jobs, so the Slovene Paszicsnyek became Pósfai and the German Höhn became Hun. Zorko is a Slovane name, I just dropped the second 'o'
That is how I became from the German chicken, a tough Hun
Hey thanks, I'll look up some of those facts.
One last question: Was Zork the Hun the name of your dog? You've used that Icon for a long time.
His name was Monte, he was my present to my wife shortly after I met her. The best dog ever. Rottweiler German shepherd mix. He was named after Monte Walsh
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/311904.Monte_Walsh
Zork (the) Hun is just a play on my real name