I suspect Mr Mearsheimer would say it is not his place to have or describe a vision, but merely to speak truths which may help those whose job it is to have a vision, develop one.
You make the same mistake many do of conflating Israel with Judaism and Jews. I know that is easy to do because Israel claims to represent the religion and its followers, Jews, even though it is an atheist political fascist entity which totally debases and betrays Judaism and Jews.
All Jews are not Zionists and all Zionists are not Jews. Many Orthodox Jews have always rejected Zionism and a literal Israel saying it ran counter to Judaic teaching.
Yes, many Jews, probably most, support Israel or rather, they support an idea and ideal of Israel which never existed. They support the dream, the fantasy and remain ignorant of the evil reality of the Israeli State, both in its planning and its execution.
Zionist Israel was founded on lies, the first being Jews, followers of a religion had a right to a State. No religion has such a right and if Jews did then all religions would.
Secondly that Jews had a need for such a State, comfortingly called a homeland even though religions do not get homelands. If they did all religions would have the same right. Most Jews do not live in Israel, never did and never will and even after WWII most Jews leaving Europe did not opt to become colonists in Palestine but migrated to many countries around the world where they continue to live happily and safely.
Thirdly, the Zionist lie was that Palestine was a land without people, despite the copious records showing their plans to rid Palestine of its native people because most were Muslims and a large minority were Christians. Citizenship would of course be given to Palestinian Arab Jews because being a Jew elevated the individual to superiority as a human who could comfortably live alongside the Zionists and Jews joining the colony. The 'subhuman' non-Jews were to be killed or driven out. That policy has not changed in more than 75 years.
Fourthly, that the Zionists and Jews had a right to set up their State because of the UN Mandate. That mandate was only ever a recommendation, never ratified, and it demanded the Palestinians not be ill-treated. Israel of course ignored all of that and one could argue made even the recommendation invalid. However, that Mandate was immoral and illegal so they had no right to create Israel in Palestine in the first place. However, the key point is the UN had no legal right to even suggest partitioning Palestine or to support a State for followers of a religion, Jews. In short, the plan and the process was totally illegal and no doubt the Zionists knew that which is why they invented themselves through genocidal violence and brute force.
Fifthly, as the powerful and 'successful' occupation colonial military regime, Israel has treated the Palestinians genocidally and violently in ways which make Israel the most venal and murderous colonial venture in modern history. In short, they put no effort into winning hearts and minds of the people whose land they had stolen, nor into providing justice, compensation, reparation and a chance of a decent life; instead they abused, murdered, imprisoned, tortured and continued to dispossess them.
All of that says the Palestinians have every right to fight their oppressor and Israel has no right to try to stop them. It also says the Zionist entity must end and if an Israel remains it will be in a small State with most of Palestine returned to its native people.
Either that or the sensible vision is one State, shared equally by the Palestinians and any Israelis who want to remain as Palestinians, a democracy where religion is secondary to citizenship and equality is a given. There would also have to be reparation paid for more than 75 years of holocaust for the Palestinians and the theft of land, homes, country, possessions. We have the precedent set for reparation to Jews who lost such things in World War Two so reparation for Christians and Muslims would simply follow that course.
An apology would also be good from every Israeli and every supporter who has enabled the atrocity of the State for so long.
This is NOT an answer, not really. your position is that of a genocidal anti-semite which I find both deplorable and unacceptable. Hamas is committed to the idea of murdering all Jews.
What you are - in fact saying - is that the Jews can get out or die.
This attitude justifies ANYTHING the Jews do.
What I am hoping for is a reasonable solution to the problem. All you have to offer is murderous hate. I feel sorry for you.
I've been to Israel. IMHO, the Jews have a far better historical claim to the land than the Arabs, who never had a claim on the land.
BUT: that shouldn't matter!!! the only questions is how to find a human solution to an unresolvable conflict.
Nothing I have said is anti-semitic. Anti-semitism is a hatred of Judaism and its followers, Jews.
It is impossible for criticism of Zionism to be anti-semitic because Zionism is an atheist, fascist political movement which exploits Jews and is therefore anti-semitic in actions.
I am not saying Jews can get out or die. I am saying either two fully independent States with exactly the same rights; a smaller ones for Israelis because there are a lot more Palestinians, or one State shared equally by the native Palestinians and the European colonists who call themselves Israelis. A democracy where religion is secondary to citizenship. Palestinian Jews, Muslims and Christians as existed before 1947.
As to Hamas committed to murdering all Jews that is a total and ridiculous fabrication. Firstly most Jews do not live in Israel or anywhere near Hamas, never did and never will, and secondly Hamas wants freedom for Palestine and does not give a toss what most Jews scattered around the world are doing. Thirdly, Hamas/Palestinian Resistance does not have the ability or power to kill all Jews so this ridiculous fantasy just makes those who promote it look foolish.
I have also been to Israel and Occupied Palestine. And Jews have no right to claim any land. No religion does. If one religion had such a right then all religions would have the same right and logic says that the claim would be where their religion was invented; i.e. Iraq for Jews and Palestine for Christians. However, no such claim exists for any religion and never will.
You also make the mistake of talking about Jews, a religion and Arabs, a culture. Either religions or cultures or nationalities but don't mix them up.
The solution has only two options, either two fully independent states or one, a democracy, where Israelis and Jews can become Palestinians or go back to the countries from which they, their parents or grandparents came to colonise Palestine.
Happy to end the conversation but you quote the Times of Israel. NOTHING WHICH COMES OUT OF ISRAEL CAN BE TRUSTED WITH HAARETZ AN OCCASIONAL, MINOR EXCEPTION.
And David Horowitz for heaven's sake. Put on your thinking cap. It is impossible for anyone to murder all Jews and Hamas/Palestinian Resistance want their country back, most of it and freedom. Most Jews are nowhere near Palestine and never will be . Duh, Hamas sets sail to assassinate Jews around the world as Israel assassinates Muslims.
It is spin mate. Propaganda. Ziospin. And the Palestinian Resistance/Hamas has said THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH JEWS, A RELIGION, JUST WITH ZIONIST ISRAEL.
I suspect Mr Mearsheimer would say it is not his place to have or describe a vision, but merely to speak truths which may help those whose job it is to have a vision, develop one.
You make the same mistake many do of conflating Israel with Judaism and Jews. I know that is easy to do because Israel claims to represent the religion and its followers, Jews, even though it is an atheist political fascist entity which totally debases and betrays Judaism and Jews.
All Jews are not Zionists and all Zionists are not Jews. Many Orthodox Jews have always rejected Zionism and a literal Israel saying it ran counter to Judaic teaching.
Yes, many Jews, probably most, support Israel or rather, they support an idea and ideal of Israel which never existed. They support the dream, the fantasy and remain ignorant of the evil reality of the Israeli State, both in its planning and its execution.
Zionist Israel was founded on lies, the first being Jews, followers of a religion had a right to a State. No religion has such a right and if Jews did then all religions would.
Secondly that Jews had a need for such a State, comfortingly called a homeland even though religions do not get homelands. If they did all religions would have the same right. Most Jews do not live in Israel, never did and never will and even after WWII most Jews leaving Europe did not opt to become colonists in Palestine but migrated to many countries around the world where they continue to live happily and safely.
Thirdly, the Zionist lie was that Palestine was a land without people, despite the copious records showing their plans to rid Palestine of its native people because most were Muslims and a large minority were Christians. Citizenship would of course be given to Palestinian Arab Jews because being a Jew elevated the individual to superiority as a human who could comfortably live alongside the Zionists and Jews joining the colony. The 'subhuman' non-Jews were to be killed or driven out. That policy has not changed in more than 75 years.
Fourthly, that the Zionists and Jews had a right to set up their State because of the UN Mandate. That mandate was only ever a recommendation, never ratified, and it demanded the Palestinians not be ill-treated. Israel of course ignored all of that and one could argue made even the recommendation invalid. However, that Mandate was immoral and illegal so they had no right to create Israel in Palestine in the first place. However, the key point is the UN had no legal right to even suggest partitioning Palestine or to support a State for followers of a religion, Jews. In short, the plan and the process was totally illegal and no doubt the Zionists knew that which is why they invented themselves through genocidal violence and brute force.
Fifthly, as the powerful and 'successful' occupation colonial military regime, Israel has treated the Palestinians genocidally and violently in ways which make Israel the most venal and murderous colonial venture in modern history. In short, they put no effort into winning hearts and minds of the people whose land they had stolen, nor into providing justice, compensation, reparation and a chance of a decent life; instead they abused, murdered, imprisoned, tortured and continued to dispossess them.
All of that says the Palestinians have every right to fight their oppressor and Israel has no right to try to stop them. It also says the Zionist entity must end and if an Israel remains it will be in a small State with most of Palestine returned to its native people.
Either that or the sensible vision is one State, shared equally by the Palestinians and any Israelis who want to remain as Palestinians, a democracy where religion is secondary to citizenship and equality is a given. There would also have to be reparation paid for more than 75 years of holocaust for the Palestinians and the theft of land, homes, country, possessions. We have the precedent set for reparation to Jews who lost such things in World War Two so reparation for Christians and Muslims would simply follow that course.
An apology would also be good from every Israeli and every supporter who has enabled the atrocity of the State for so long.
This is NOT an answer, not really. your position is that of a genocidal anti-semite which I find both deplorable and unacceptable. Hamas is committed to the idea of murdering all Jews.
What you are - in fact saying - is that the Jews can get out or die.
This attitude justifies ANYTHING the Jews do.
What I am hoping for is a reasonable solution to the problem. All you have to offer is murderous hate. I feel sorry for you.
I've been to Israel. IMHO, the Jews have a far better historical claim to the land than the Arabs, who never had a claim on the land.
BUT: that shouldn't matter!!! the only questions is how to find a human solution to an unresolvable conflict.
I will outline my suggestions in a post.
Nothing I have said is anti-semitic. Anti-semitism is a hatred of Judaism and its followers, Jews.
It is impossible for criticism of Zionism to be anti-semitic because Zionism is an atheist, fascist political movement which exploits Jews and is therefore anti-semitic in actions.
I am not saying Jews can get out or die. I am saying either two fully independent States with exactly the same rights; a smaller ones for Israelis because there are a lot more Palestinians, or one State shared equally by the native Palestinians and the European colonists who call themselves Israelis. A democracy where religion is secondary to citizenship. Palestinian Jews, Muslims and Christians as existed before 1947.
As to Hamas committed to murdering all Jews that is a total and ridiculous fabrication. Firstly most Jews do not live in Israel or anywhere near Hamas, never did and never will, and secondly Hamas wants freedom for Palestine and does not give a toss what most Jews scattered around the world are doing. Thirdly, Hamas/Palestinian Resistance does not have the ability or power to kill all Jews so this ridiculous fantasy just makes those who promote it look foolish.
I have also been to Israel and Occupied Palestine. And Jews have no right to claim any land. No religion does. If one religion had such a right then all religions would have the same right and logic says that the claim would be where their religion was invented; i.e. Iraq for Jews and Palestine for Christians. However, no such claim exists for any religion and never will.
You also make the mistake of talking about Jews, a religion and Arabs, a culture. Either religions or cultures or nationalities but don't mix them up.
The solution has only two options, either two fully independent states or one, a democracy, where Israelis and Jews can become Palestinians or go back to the countries from which they, their parents or grandparents came to colonise Palestine.
One thing is certain, Zionist Israel must end.
"As to Hamas committed to murdering all Jews that is a total and ridiculous fabrication."
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/what-hamas-leaders-actually-want-in-their-own-words-part-1/
I could also repeat the question of David Horowitz:
https://youtu.be/8fSvyv0urTE?si=gtmrt2OK0WPYrHRk
FOR or AGAINST?
In either case, as far as I am concerned, this conversation is over.
Happy to end the conversation but you quote the Times of Israel. NOTHING WHICH COMES OUT OF ISRAEL CAN BE TRUSTED WITH HAARETZ AN OCCASIONAL, MINOR EXCEPTION.
And David Horowitz for heaven's sake. Put on your thinking cap. It is impossible for anyone to murder all Jews and Hamas/Palestinian Resistance want their country back, most of it and freedom. Most Jews are nowhere near Palestine and never will be . Duh, Hamas sets sail to assassinate Jews around the world as Israel assassinates Muslims.
It is spin mate. Propaganda. Ziospin. And the Palestinian Resistance/Hamas has said THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH JEWS, A RELIGION, JUST WITH ZIONIST ISRAEL.
Oh so you are a Nazi
Are you?
You behave like one....