Is the Bible antisemitic? Is the TALMUD antisemitic?
Download this pdf from Archive.org. It is a short book, 126 pages, by Israel Shahak, written in August of 1993, an overview of Tamludic law, and indispensable for knowing how Israel reads and interprets the Old Testament Bible, and what Jewish life consisted of for centuries. Shahak is Israeli, grew up there, knows Hebrew and the Talmud, and knows, what has to be, the inner motivations of even the most modernized, reformed Jewish people. This is not an opinion piece nor an analysis. He is just reading the key passages to you. You don't have to BELIEVE anything he says, but just take it in, and see if it has meaning.
By the way, read the notes at the end of the book. They are further explanations, and not just a bibliography.
[NOTE: You might find this book full of annoying details. THAT'S THE POINT! Jewish life for 1000's of years was full of annoying (really pointless, because Yahweh says so), details on every conceivable aspect of life. And they lived under a rabbinical slavery, and trying to continually make it all come true.]
While not really villainizing, this book is essential to understand the current Middle East conflict, and why the well meaning, so-called, western peace plans will Never be implemented. It is under the weight of 3,000 years of belief structure.
A Jewish state, whether based on its present Jewish ideology or, if it becomes even more Jewish in character than it is now on the principles of Jewish Orthodoxy, can Never contain an open society. There are two choices which face Israeli-Jewish society. It can become a fully closed and warlike ghetto. A Jewish Sparta, supported by the labor of Arab helots, and kept in existence by its influence on the US political establishment, and by threats to use its nuclear power.
Or they can rewrite parts of the TALMUD; which will never happen.
Hello Zork, and thanks for the invitation to discuss your question; "What is the Solution"? I intend to take you up on it.
But first, you say you have a good grasp of the Talmud. And you have relations in Israel, and from the time you visited. What do your contacts say about the Talmud. (I don't know anyone). Do they read it and know it? Do they say it is just an Orthodox thing? Does the government run by these principles? Do any Jewish people deny it, or say it is just a myth? Don't a couple thousand years of tradition have any power? (Or does it have all the power?)
My Substack is on books about History. I translate them and upload serially, one chapter at a time. For the most part they are Russian, with no other English translation, but this is just because I really like one Russian historian, Lev Nikolayevich Gumilev. He writes nothing about the 20th century, all ancient history, and absolutely nothing about the Soviet Union.
When your Jewish contacts answer what is the real status of the Talmud in Israel, we will know if it has any power. But just reading it (or reading the Shahak book), throws a whole new light on the Middle East.
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First some background thoughts. Somebody sent me a Thomas Friedman Article from the Times, about Gaza. (It's a winner for sure.) He obsesses about world leaders that made "bad choices", Putin, Xi, even Netanyahu, and a whole lot of medium power nations. I have grave doubts that world leaders make any personal choices, but are forced to act through the development of circumstances.
This is especially true of medium sized nations, whom in the aftermath of WWII, when so much of the world was destroyed, developed a huge slice of their trade with America. Even now they are extremely vulnerable if America decides to renounce their "most favored nation" status for some reason, they would lose a significant percentage of their ongoing economy, which would knock the present leaders out of power.
My point is that we don't know what arm twisting is behind all geopolitical movements. We don't know what things smaller countries are "forced to do", even Israel. Of course, Israel is perfectly cast for the part, because of their dominant ideology. I acknowledge this is the ground of "conspiracy theories", but only the extremely naïve believe there are no conspiracies. Of course, we can always play dumb. Dummies are respected world-wide. "Oh My Gosh! I didn’t know, I thought that blah blah blah". It is called the “Oops Theory of Everything”, which should be the first article in the US constitution.
Super powers have interests. There is nowhere on earth that they don't try to fulfill those interests. All methods are "on-the-table".
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So, in my opinion, we can't know anything about the Middle East until we know who is Arthur Balfour and what was the Balfour Declaration (1917). Yes, we know what it says, but we don't know why it was promoted. Do governments do things just because they are "nice guys", or are they continually forwarding their own interests? Are the interests that established the Balfour Declaration still active, or maybe they're more important now to the UK (and America), than ever before?
I don't know these answers, but I do know everything that happens in that zone is intended to achieve those interests.
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Next, we can consider what some people are just waking up to, and calling it lies. They're not lies, nor truths, they are “narratives”. Every last public figure is hired "only" to put out that institution's narrative. Sometimes a narrative is too radical for the public to swallow, so then the narrative is put out in stages. The stages are each introduced, concurrent with some big event. Then the institution can say, “we wanted to do this” (stage one), but now in light of these events, we have to do that (stage 2).
But nothing has changed. Stage 1, stage 2, stage 3, and the final "shoo-in" were all decided decades ago. That brings us back to the TALMUD. The Talmud proves that the OSLO 2-state piece plan was a stage-one, window dressing made solely for Western consumption. It is pure and unadulterated Bull-shit, that never-ever could possibly be realized. (I should write "never-ever" about ten times, so you get the picture.)
Also, the one-state solution is an abomination, thus leaving only the ZERO-State solution, according to the Israelis. Is that the stage-4 narrative, or does it go beyond that? Nothing else will ever be implemented nor forced onto the Zionists. Maybe the Zero-State solution won't be implemented either??? That means there will be some grave changes in the world.
The above-mentioned Thomas Friedman of course uses adjectives. Who doesn't speak of the "Brutal Hamas attack of savagery? Hamas, the group whose fighters stormed across the border fence from Gaza on Oct. 7, killing 1,200 Israelis, mostly civilians, and seizing 240 hostages.
It is difficult to ascertain Israeli losses. I think the military deaths are classified, but maybe they have leaked 400 as a number. It is reported with pride in the Jewish press, that in north Gaza, 65% of single-family dwellings have been flattened. In central Gaza maybe 45% single family dwellings destroyed, in the south maybe 28% of houses destroyed. Were Hamas militants inside those houses?
I would say that NOT ONE Hamas soldier was killed in the air attacks. (Or very few.) But by now 20,000 Palestinians have been killed and 55,000 injured. (70% women and children). A good part of those 55,000 will also die, because most of the hospitals are destroyed. Like I say, I don't know the Israeli losses. Maybe it will come down to something like 4,000 to 40,000. (Don't use any adjectives on that number though!) I usually don't watch videos but Max Blumenthal at the Grayzone seems very credible to me. He is reporting on-the-ground. In any case this video explains the Hannible Directive with several minutes of IDF Apache gun ship videos as they strafe and send Hellfire missiles into the music festival crowd, and a tank gunner explains how she fired on houses with hostages in them. (1,200 civilian deaths that day.)
SO - not only do we not know what is the purpose of Israel and the Balfour declaration. We don't know what killing is happening on the ground. I believe that martyrs are finally going to be able to shape world opinion, maybe even in the Hegemony. The only question is 40,000 (20 plus the wounded dead), enough women and children martyrs, or will we have to see 100,000 plus. What IS in the process of crashing, is the false-to-the-core Western moral superiority. This will bring catastrophic changes to their world.
If we look into Ukraine, (and without saying losses on which side), I hold the belief that there are more casualties in Ukraine, than America sustained in all the wars from 1900 - 1999, plus all the wars from 2000 - 2024. Rightfully, those should be NATO deaths. But "world Justice” has never been a reality. And what have Americans said about that?
THEY HAVEN'T EVEN SHRUGGED THEIR SHOULDIERS, nor blinked an eye.
In America human blood is a commodity sold on the futures market by the ton. The only thing that was said by leading congressmen, is that the 100's of $ Billions sent to Ukraine is a GOOD INVESTMENT. Surely, it's the same reaction in Gaza.
I haven’t answered your question; What is the solution? One solution is; WHO IS AMERICA to impose their solution on the world? Armchair foreign ministers will figure it all out though.
I am on a skiing trip with less then an hour for my computer a day....
Give me a few days for a serious answer.
When I ask what is the answer, what I mean is what would be an ideal outcome?
I am not interested in what people say or think (or did), but what should we want them to do? The Global hegemon, the Jewish state and the rest of the world.
I did quite a bit of skiing, so I know your enjoyment. Now I live where there is no snow, that's good too.
If I read something, I always want to engage the content, or what's the point? I know that all perception has the two components of thinking and feeling. It is possible to go through life mostly on the feeling level, and be guided by what feels good, (we all do to an extent). In other words you can read something that "agrees" with some of your inner tenants, even if they are hidden. Later if asked what were the points that you liked? you cannot come-up with an answer. "Well, it was good, you ought to read it".
If I am reading something, I want to make sure I engage with the content, also on a thinking level. Sorry if it is too detailed.
TLDR: Kill ‘em all, the Amalek (oops I mean the Arabs)...man woman child cattle and ass.
Is the Bible antisemitic? Is the TALMUD antisemitic?
Download this pdf from Archive.org. It is a short book, 126 pages, by Israel Shahak, written in August of 1993, an overview of Tamludic law, and indispensable for knowing how Israel reads and interprets the Old Testament Bible, and what Jewish life consisted of for centuries. Shahak is Israeli, grew up there, knows Hebrew and the Talmud, and knows, what has to be, the inner motivations of even the most modernized, reformed Jewish people. This is not an opinion piece nor an analysis. He is just reading the key passages to you. You don't have to BELIEVE anything he says, but just take it in, and see if it has meaning.
https://archive.org/details/jewish-history-jewish-religion-the-weight-of-three-thousand-years-by-israel-shahak-126pgs/page/n3/mode/2up
By the way, read the notes at the end of the book. They are further explanations, and not just a bibliography.
[NOTE: You might find this book full of annoying details. THAT'S THE POINT! Jewish life for 1000's of years was full of annoying (really pointless, because Yahweh says so), details on every conceivable aspect of life. And they lived under a rabbinical slavery, and trying to continually make it all come true.]
While not really villainizing, this book is essential to understand the current Middle East conflict, and why the well meaning, so-called, western peace plans will Never be implemented. It is under the weight of 3,000 years of belief structure.
A Jewish state, whether based on its present Jewish ideology or, if it becomes even more Jewish in character than it is now on the principles of Jewish Orthodoxy, can Never contain an open society. There are two choices which face Israeli-Jewish society. It can become a fully closed and warlike ghetto. A Jewish Sparta, supported by the labor of Arab helots, and kept in existence by its influence on the US political establishment, and by threats to use its nuclear power.
Or they can rewrite parts of the TALMUD; which will never happen.
.
Thanks, I may look at it, although I think I have a fairly good grasp o the subject. I've been to Israel and I observed.
You may want to check out Tuvia Tenenbom's book Catch the Jew
https://www.amazon.ca/Catch-Jew-Eye-opening-education-Israel-ebook/dp/B00RY1MRDQ
He is coming from a Hassidic Jewish family, but the book is more contemporary and therefore - in my opinion - more relevant
You could also try to answer my question: what is the solution?
...as that is the only thing that actually matters
Hello Zork, and thanks for the invitation to discuss your question; "What is the Solution"? I intend to take you up on it.
But first, you say you have a good grasp of the Talmud. And you have relations in Israel, and from the time you visited. What do your contacts say about the Talmud. (I don't know anyone). Do they read it and know it? Do they say it is just an Orthodox thing? Does the government run by these principles? Do any Jewish people deny it, or say it is just a myth? Don't a couple thousand years of tradition have any power? (Or does it have all the power?)
My Substack is on books about History. I translate them and upload serially, one chapter at a time. For the most part they are Russian, with no other English translation, but this is just because I really like one Russian historian, Lev Nikolayevich Gumilev. He writes nothing about the 20th century, all ancient history, and absolutely nothing about the Soviet Union.
I am not going to upload the Shahak book, but I did publish Chapter 3, (9,000) words, if you want to brush up on the Talmud. https://library4conciliation.substack.com/p/6-the-judaic-christian-tradition
When your Jewish contacts answer what is the real status of the Talmud in Israel, we will know if it has any power. But just reading it (or reading the Shahak book), throws a whole new light on the Middle East.
_____________
First some background thoughts. Somebody sent me a Thomas Friedman Article from the Times, about Gaza. (It's a winner for sure.) He obsesses about world leaders that made "bad choices", Putin, Xi, even Netanyahu, and a whole lot of medium power nations. I have grave doubts that world leaders make any personal choices, but are forced to act through the development of circumstances.
This is especially true of medium sized nations, whom in the aftermath of WWII, when so much of the world was destroyed, developed a huge slice of their trade with America. Even now they are extremely vulnerable if America decides to renounce their "most favored nation" status for some reason, they would lose a significant percentage of their ongoing economy, which would knock the present leaders out of power.
My point is that we don't know what arm twisting is behind all geopolitical movements. We don't know what things smaller countries are "forced to do", even Israel. Of course, Israel is perfectly cast for the part, because of their dominant ideology. I acknowledge this is the ground of "conspiracy theories", but only the extremely naïve believe there are no conspiracies. Of course, we can always play dumb. Dummies are respected world-wide. "Oh My Gosh! I didn’t know, I thought that blah blah blah". It is called the “Oops Theory of Everything”, which should be the first article in the US constitution.
Super powers have interests. There is nowhere on earth that they don't try to fulfill those interests. All methods are "on-the-table".
_____________
So, in my opinion, we can't know anything about the Middle East until we know who is Arthur Balfour and what was the Balfour Declaration (1917). Yes, we know what it says, but we don't know why it was promoted. Do governments do things just because they are "nice guys", or are they continually forwarding their own interests? Are the interests that established the Balfour Declaration still active, or maybe they're more important now to the UK (and America), than ever before?
I don't know these answers, but I do know everything that happens in that zone is intended to achieve those interests.
______________
Next, we can consider what some people are just waking up to, and calling it lies. They're not lies, nor truths, they are “narratives”. Every last public figure is hired "only" to put out that institution's narrative. Sometimes a narrative is too radical for the public to swallow, so then the narrative is put out in stages. The stages are each introduced, concurrent with some big event. Then the institution can say, “we wanted to do this” (stage one), but now in light of these events, we have to do that (stage 2).
But nothing has changed. Stage 1, stage 2, stage 3, and the final "shoo-in" were all decided decades ago. That brings us back to the TALMUD. The Talmud proves that the OSLO 2-state piece plan was a stage-one, window dressing made solely for Western consumption. It is pure and unadulterated Bull-shit, that never-ever could possibly be realized. (I should write "never-ever" about ten times, so you get the picture.)
Also, the one-state solution is an abomination, thus leaving only the ZERO-State solution, according to the Israelis. Is that the stage-4 narrative, or does it go beyond that? Nothing else will ever be implemented nor forced onto the Zionists. Maybe the Zero-State solution won't be implemented either??? That means there will be some grave changes in the world.
The above-mentioned Thomas Friedman of course uses adjectives. Who doesn't speak of the "Brutal Hamas attack of savagery? Hamas, the group whose fighters stormed across the border fence from Gaza on Oct. 7, killing 1,200 Israelis, mostly civilians, and seizing 240 hostages.
It is difficult to ascertain Israeli losses. I think the military deaths are classified, but maybe they have leaked 400 as a number. It is reported with pride in the Jewish press, that in north Gaza, 65% of single-family dwellings have been flattened. In central Gaza maybe 45% single family dwellings destroyed, in the south maybe 28% of houses destroyed. Were Hamas militants inside those houses?
I would say that NOT ONE Hamas soldier was killed in the air attacks. (Or very few.) But by now 20,000 Palestinians have been killed and 55,000 injured. (70% women and children). A good part of those 55,000 will also die, because most of the hospitals are destroyed. Like I say, I don't know the Israeli losses. Maybe it will come down to something like 4,000 to 40,000. (Don't use any adjectives on that number though!) I usually don't watch videos but Max Blumenthal at the Grayzone seems very credible to me. He is reporting on-the-ground. In any case this video explains the Hannible Directive with several minutes of IDF Apache gun ship videos as they strafe and send Hellfire missiles into the music festival crowd, and a tank gunner explains how she fired on houses with hostages in them. (1,200 civilian deaths that day.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_zOaymGp3w&t=1372s
SO - not only do we not know what is the purpose of Israel and the Balfour declaration. We don't know what killing is happening on the ground. I believe that martyrs are finally going to be able to shape world opinion, maybe even in the Hegemony. The only question is 40,000 (20 plus the wounded dead), enough women and children martyrs, or will we have to see 100,000 plus. What IS in the process of crashing, is the false-to-the-core Western moral superiority. This will bring catastrophic changes to their world.
If we look into Ukraine, (and without saying losses on which side), I hold the belief that there are more casualties in Ukraine, than America sustained in all the wars from 1900 - 1999, plus all the wars from 2000 - 2024. Rightfully, those should be NATO deaths. But "world Justice” has never been a reality. And what have Americans said about that?
THEY HAVEN'T EVEN SHRUGGED THEIR SHOULDIERS, nor blinked an eye.
In America human blood is a commodity sold on the futures market by the ton. The only thing that was said by leading congressmen, is that the 100's of $ Billions sent to Ukraine is a GOOD INVESTMENT. Surely, it's the same reaction in Gaza.
I haven’t answered your question; What is the solution? One solution is; WHO IS AMERICA to impose their solution on the world? Armchair foreign ministers will figure it all out though.
.
I am on a skiing trip with less then an hour for my computer a day....
Give me a few days for a serious answer.
When I ask what is the answer, what I mean is what would be an ideal outcome?
I am not interested in what people say or think (or did), but what should we want them to do? The Global hegemon, the Jewish state and the rest of the world.
I did quite a bit of skiing, so I know your enjoyment. Now I live where there is no snow, that's good too.
If I read something, I always want to engage the content, or what's the point? I know that all perception has the two components of thinking and feeling. It is possible to go through life mostly on the feeling level, and be guided by what feels good, (we all do to an extent). In other words you can read something that "agrees" with some of your inner tenants, even if they are hidden. Later if asked what were the points that you liked? you cannot come-up with an answer. "Well, it was good, you ought to read it".
If I am reading something, I want to make sure I engage with the content, also on a thinking level. Sorry if it is too detailed.
.